She said no mother would stop at 10 at night, in the dark, with three young children, to help a Bush haired stranger. Devoting ur life to taking down a dead author is a waste of ur talents. I personally dont think she is innocent but that isnt the point. She should of been sentenced to death. It is called a conflict of interest. Diane had siblings and parents. It seems that everyone commenting just knows shes guilty, like you say. I am also engaged in other wrongful convictions that have taken place within the US. The detectives and the state failed to act properly and it should not be an accepted practice. Gunpowder is one of the toughest stains around, when it comes to removing it from clothes. You have that part absolutely right, so why was this protocol ignored? The tape of Christie and her adoption by the prosecutor are facts. In one of them, he knew her name and in another one, she had answered a call and been told to meet someone. The jurors had doubts. Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rules books, would you find such fantasy. Knicks habit of turning on and turning off their relationship was known to Diane long before he admitted it in court a year later (Appendix 81, page 1520, line 21): Q. They would have welcomed them with open arms. But showing no remorse is part of claiming her innocence and part of the vicious circle of parole hearings. This really makes me angry, that prosecuter and judge should be sued along with the writter. That single fact collaborated by a witness, convicts her for me. What man has ever publicly revered a former secret mistress? She claimed she . You cannot skip due process because of mob mentality. And on this site, I mention that I take a restorative approach. The flesh and muscle had been cored three days earlier, but the steel plate and bone graft could not be effected for two weeks (a precaution against infection). So I start with that bit of history in mind. I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular. As for where he is now, we'll be honest, we're not completely sure. Her release was recommended by a warden and a psychiatrist. In fact, if someone was Hungry like the Wolf in this courtroom, it was a certain crime author who could already smell and taste the fortune coming her way after the publication of this juicy story. The details about the gun missing, the daughters testimony and the fact that she had no blood or gun residues are facts. Even on a worldwide scale, the age of accountability is considered to be twelve years old. Whatever mental illness she has, has gotten worse with each hearing. She was no mother of the year and in the car when the kids got shot. #corrupt. I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular: this blog is clearly one sided. Of course, because this is what she does when people put her on the spot and ask questions concerning her mother and the shooting. ANNE RULES BOOK IS A LIE, ,ALL MADE UP CRAP. I do not have to put any statement advising people that I am about to present the neglected aspects of the trial. Barry Sheck and bis crew of investigators should get involved. Im from Australia and have recollections of this case. But as usual, it was slanted in the worst possible way. I followed the trial. I lived through the media coverage. Mr. I never found a photo of James C. Jagger online. Her trial was speculative and based on so many fallacies. They felt safe there. 1. Two jurors had voted that Diane was not guilty of attempted murder or first-degree assault, but endedup voting to convict her of murder. Nice to see this blog is still active in 2017, being a lot of groupsmessage boards and such, on subjects like this has no activity for years. She goes on to say that she has deep regret and mourns the loss and death of her children. Why would anyone think Christie could remember the night of the shooting anyway?? Plus, the circumstances of this charade were more than sinister. Instead of shooting the little kids, why didnt the carjacker/killer (CK) simply shoot DD dead and take her car? I found your blog to be very well written, informative and interesting. It took months to get Christie to say that her mother was the culprit and that is when they arrested Diane. Diane was pregnant during the trial so if found not guilty, how would she have regained the love of her life? But strangely, they took no photos of the crime scene and did not lift fingerprints from the drivers side of the car. Yep, Downs who was found guilty in 1984, escaped successfully from the Oregon Womens Correctional Center in 1987 and was transferred to Jersey afterwards. The bitches own daughter identified Downs as the shooter. The reason she is likely locked up is because she was diagnosed with narcissistic, histrionic and anti social personality disorder, that makes her a very dangerous person (especially since she is a murderer). Hugi didnt rush in and take the kids, he had time to consider. This case needed to be examined more thoroughly, but the mob mentality didnt allow it. Do you remember about two days after that the two of you signing a lease on the apartment? But if you compare the time she was seen by the witness to the timing of her arrival at the hospital, it seems to indicate she went pretty fast, butnone of it was explained ordemonstrated properly. Like in their movies. It appeared rigged and the fact that Ann Rule sat in the courtroom ready to produce a Masterpiece of Guilt could only help the prosecution. In Oregon, in 1983, she shot her 3 children, 1 daughter died. Q. The fact that there was a rush to judgment, an investigation targeting only one result and a media coverage often presenting lies is very bothersome. She had been the bread winner for most of her marriage, and never wavered in her desire to bring financial stability to her family. I actually can relate to things she did and was like, especially chasing after a guy that dont want youi did one night stands during my chase..to try to get over himits was a dumb idea and really made things worse, but it made sense at the time. They should have looked for a possible accomplice and checked all the leads. The trial was a whole miscarriage, that seems undeniable. In the end, it is scary how media becomes some kind of Roman circus where people is thrown in order to become a source of business. The states own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugis practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). Shes guilty. Our laws are not written that way. Standards of conduct are defined by state law, but they generally require a judge to avoid appearances of impropriety, such as avoiding deciding a dispute in which the judge is personally involved in the issue at stake or has a relationship to one of the parties.. How.. they attacked him. Which is itself a redundant practise: the blogger repeatedly states that Downs should be released. Right after the shooting, little Danny would ask the nurses, , Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that, Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. It was faulty. There is a court sketch artists rendering of him in this video. They were the small sacrifices. It is beyond belief that the State of Oregon allowed the prosecutor to adopt those children. Hugi got the evidence needed to convict after numerous meetings with Christie. This happened in 1983, not 1893. Lise,,,,, yes you did. When they recaptured her, she was very docile. This was all logged in Christies hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports.. I still remember my mother picking up the paper and seeing the headline. Dianes dad died a year or two ago. Diane Downs was one of the most infamous murderers of the 1980s; the emotionally flat blonde was convicted of shooting her three children, killing one of them, along a roadway in Springfield,. And Ann Rule said that the unicorn that was omnipresent in court was part of the premeditation. Completely unethical, and not in the best interest of those children. I know that most people think she is guilty. The jury verdict was guilty on all counts, but there was a mixture of votes. From what we know about Becky, she had chosen a difficult path and Diane was trying to warn her. He should have let someone else handle the case or let someone else adopt the kids. It goes on and on. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. What is known for a fact, is, Prosecutor Fred Hugi took physical custody of Christie and Danny shortly after Christies confessions to her school mates, and he officially adopted them in the summer of 1986. You read a few comments. So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. It sounds pretty fair to me. I dont know that it could get worse than writing an asinine comment on a restorative justice website that states that only respectful and constructive comments will be posted. We had a thoughtful jury that examined the evidence over four days. After asking her to have an affair, he kept vacillating between his wife and her. Youre right to say that a GSR is not always foolproof and between 10-20% of suicide GSR kits test negative for GSR. 3 yr. ago. Every single one. Her persona allowed them to build this ironclad narrative when in fact, it was far from definite. Surely before Diane downs, there were other mothers who killed their kids..or allegedly did, however in 83 and 84 it made national news, nothing quite like it had come across the media world, which during that decade was really skyrocketing in sensationalismI believe is where it started, becoming less news and more entertainment. In case you did not read the blog: During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath. They were in a difficult situation becausewithout evidence, they could notcharge her for the crime. The fact that she was driving five miles per hour to the hospital says it all as a mother myself, I dont care how hurt or mentally damaged I was, I would drive that car 100 MPH to get my children to safety. How asinine. Substituting reasonable inference and evidence for tarot cards? If she was the shooter, it had to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. The problem was, Diane has a long-documented history of adversely reacting to tranquilizing drugs. Accused of her side of the story what the state says how would it be possible for her to do what they presumed. had to wait for Christie to be able to tell them who did it. Moreover, it was not a suicide case, but of a woman who supposedly shot herself in the arm and her 3 children several times. People tend to forget that the group of young women hanging out with Manson were deeply engaged in serious drug use and totally out of their mind at the time. Those cases shouldnt have been in the same court let alone presided over by the same judge. And if you claim your innocence, it obviously creates a vicious circle of not showing contrition. Diane Downs is no exception. Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that they only had a few months to get Christie to talk, otherwise they could not keep her away from her mother any longer. If it doesnt matter to you, it should. Re Diane Downs I invite reading Synopsis quite similar to above: OREGONs Juridical Small Sacrifices A. I believe Charlene and I had a big blowout around Thanksgiving and I left, called Diane. Probably a 911 button. Up. she flat out says, they are saying Duran Duran made her shoot her kids!..Im like HUHOkay now this is my favorite groupstill is at 44yrs old.I had to investigate this. Reduces conflict because communication is limited. Many individuals associated with the the child welfare system, for one reason or another, choose to adopt children. I found nothing. Theybrought out the big guns to unload on the public, their idea of the truth: Diane Downs was a horrible creature and a jilted lover who shot her three children in cold blood to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she was obsessed with. It wasnt simply her demeanor that got her convicted. You need real evidence in court. Once you are vilified in the media in the US, the way Downs and others have been, a lot of people shut their eyes and their mind to any other possibility than what was presented in the court of public opinion. You cant possibly shake off all the gun powder residue and avoid all the blood. Too bad it triggered you, maybe try to stay away from sites that might not go along with the mob mentality and usual media narrative. It was omnipresent in the courtroom as well as the Duran Duran song Hungry like the Wolf that supposedly was playing when the children were shot in the car. And how the letters became so bizarre, paranoid and psychotic that she told Diane to stop writing her. Yes, dad relinquished his rights but he knew that they loved their grandparents and had allowed Diane to take them for a visit without telling the authorities. It does not contradict what I said, but what they said. so which one is it????? Movie scene alleging that Christie was scared. It isnt there all the time. Yes, I had to go and sign the lease, yes, sir. I can make out I will ask you to take a good look at the people in your life. I am publishing your comment because once in a while, I need to post the pitiful representation of true crime readers who made Anne Rule a rich author. But due to a law enacted in Oregon after she first became eligible for parole, she can now only apply every 10 years. They removed them and proceeded to interrogate the poor girl until she gave them what they needed. Diane was found guilty and sentenced to life and she has been in prison ever since. Click to listen to podcast explaining the gun test, Dianes mental condition and the lack of forensic evidence. They made her out to be a monster, but in Beckys case, it becomes redeemable. This same witness corroborated that Diane did not stop to do something suspicious or dispose of the gun. You dont get any kind of advancement or rehabilitation in prison. Surprisingly, Fred Hugi actually looks quite different. The police DID fingerprint the car, from grill to trunk and in between. The guy should have walked away from the case or from adopting them. Growing up, Diane had felt like an outsider and kids had been cruel towards her because of her real or imagined ugly duckling looks and demeanor. She (Diane) managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. They believed the testimony of her former boyfriends who were far from stellar individuals. In fact, if appropriate family is found, termination is not required. How was DD able to get away from CK and get the keys back into the ignition without there being more attempts on her life? Her lover and former husband testified against her but it did not represent evidence but character assassination. Reasonable doubt is most certainly lacking. The casing from the bullets exactly matched, just like a fingerprint, the bullets that Diane had in her home from her own gun which was never found. The person leaned into the car. What about the terror of being interrogated by strangers and separated from her family? Where to begin? So there was a transfer, but nothing else was found. And their plan worked. Maybe she wanted to buy drugs. 2.Diane herself has stated that the shooter was outside the car and shot THROUGH the window, no blood spatter. It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. According to Rule and the court, the unicorn was a memorial to her children that she purchased after premeditating their murder. She knew that Knickerbocker hated trouble of any kind, and thathe would have never come back to her after an ugly shooting where she had been wounded and her kids damaged. The first two children were Diane's kids with her ex husband Steve Downs. Lise lasalle you mention THIS When she (Diane) resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. In the spring of 1986, Christie confided to school mates that shed been coerced to lie in court, to implicate her mother (Appendix 1-2). Wasnt Mr. F supposed to be a child molester? Seems like she was her worst enemy. Andthe DA adopted her other two children. The following article hopes to help you make more suitable choices and get more useful information The media keeps talking about several escapes, but there was only one. She even became a surrogate mother to make money and provide two parents the opportunity to have a child. Her children deserved the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The police admitting on the stand that after 2 weeks, they stopped looking at suspects appears to be a fact. Yet that didnt stop Knick from asking Mr. Frederickson for a job and for Dianes hand in marriage (Appendix 81, page Case History Page 25). She has come a long way. But people never want to touch the high profile cases where the defendant is not likable. The prosecutor would gently shake his head and the good judge would follow with a ruling. It has nothing to do with the facts of the case. 2) You mention her youngest daughter, and how Ann made sure she only heard negative information about Diane. Wow. Why? Then feel free to correct the facts and to provide evidence to support them. The DA adopting the children is an integral part of this and definitely needs to be included in the blog. From the time Diane was a teenager, when a physician ordered visterol in an emergency room situation, it has been documented again and again that sedatives ingested while Diane is in pain, provoke a chemically induced hysteria in her. But he overestimated the kind of people that would go along with this soap opera. Mr. Jagger said it wasnt t enough to know a witness had lied, but she would have to prove it. Again thats opinion, and neither balanced nor objective. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. In fact, Diane and her lawyer wanted Christie to be able to heal before being questioned and to be accompanied and taped during the sessions. She complained about it, but that does not mean she did not suffer for her kids. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. The Lifetime channel constantly makes movies based loosely on the truth; this approach is an effective weapon aimed at swaying public opinion about high-profile cases. At the time, among 49 prisoners denied parole, the board had given only four inmates, including Downs, a 10-year wait. You are wondering about the question why didn't steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question. But her behavior became the most important factor in the investigation that followed. Tis why at 10 years old I was hearing about this case in Ohio, and family members talked about it around me.it hit with great force that way. Usually it isnt there but every once in awhile, it comes out. She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. Robert and Diane even decided toget matching rose tattoos, but as soon as the ink on her tattoo was dry, he refused to get his done. Maybe that her mom was obviously not well after spending her life in prison so it would have been a good idea to meet the Downss family quietly and get the jest of it. Nobody near to help. Flash-forward to the present day. In a perfect world this would always be the case. Did you read her statements to the parole board in 2008? The man you have listed as Fred Hugi is actually Dianes attorney Jim Jagger. And to try not to bash Dianes Downs character and stick to evidence instead. While not evidence of guilt or innocence, it is certainly worth noting as part of the overall wrongs perpetrated during this fiasco of a trial and subsequent appeals. N u pleaded guilty of murdering ur husband. The lovely Farrah Fawcett who played in the movie Small Sacrifices was known for her epic battles with lover Ryan ONeil. 3) You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. Thats the problem with high profile cases. I watched the paroles hearing in 08, was lucky to find it, it was streamed live at the timemy sister, who is a whiz with computers, found it for me. In the blog, there is a link on the subject of bipolar people who tend to laugh at the wrong time. It deserved as much attention as a Unicorn, a song or all the other hearsay floating around because at least, they came from real people signing official documents. In my opinion, the investigation was too hasty and only focused on Diane. To listen to Christies taped conversation, click below. And the flat affect and sometimes inappropriate smiling would come with the territory so you cannot judge her actions without taking into account that she might not have been acting according to the norms. They were traumatized and needed familiar faces to feel safe. Is it too late to respond to this? I do not care if the bushy haired stranger made no sense or if they could not explain the why of the tragedy, I do not care if she was madly in love with a guy because all that counts is proof and evidence in a court of law, and there was definitely a reasonable doubt. Let me tell you, it wasnt just the investigators and the prosecution that didnt believe herwe, Oregonians, (who ACTUALLY live here and watched what was happening) believe she is guilty. It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession. Judges are subject to certain ethical standards and have a duty to be impartial. You didnt know that?? It sounds like Diane was trying to tell her to stay away from bad influences. Messed. You mention that her attorney should have raised objections. You can check this link and go online to see her picture with Cheryl and the rest of the family. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial, he tried to retain defense attorney Melvin Belli who had the reputation of fighting for his clients and to win all his cases. Everyone in the world can believe something. For all you readers of this blogger, I lived through the Diane Downs case. I am not from USA, never have been there, but my impression is that in USA media are far more powerful than the justice system and rational thinking is crushed by easy emotional moods, stereotypes and a hunger for violence coated in a pompous moral attitude. It sounds like this was not the case with Dianes children. Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. No way. If a person were innocent of the crime they were convicted of this puts them in a no-win situation. Being bipolar, she had no impulse control so it should not have surprised anyone. She learnedat a young age to keep her emotions in check and to always present a strong and brave front. I refer you to this section of the blog: They claimed to have found two lead cartridges in Dianes rifle at home that supposedly matched the ones used during the crime. The inconsistencies and obvious lack of evidence in this case should have called for a wider investigation instead of solely focusing on their prime suspect. BUT like you rightly explain, there was no real evidence of her guilt. If, as Proctor said, it was exchanged right away, and the other Ruger was subsequently stolen by Steven, how was it remotely possible for him to have this info? The timing of her arrival at the hospital should have been discussed and explained in more details. Then ask yourself if thats how you want your son to grow up. Or that the sketch did not resemble the suspect enough? The american system often reminds me of what Charles Dickens talked about in his novels. They should have had ongoing contact and been placed with family as soon as they were out of the hospital and they never should have been interviewed without their own attorney (Guardian ad Litem) present. It was such a high profile case and she was found guilty by the media and the court so people are afraid to touch this one. They both fainted when they saw their dead child, but it did not count. The car was splattered with blood, but Diane had none on her. In the moment of who shot youmy momhave a hard time believing that could be coached. Are you still taking comments by email? Her arm was severely damaged, so shattered that she needed a graft from a hip bone. I agree on many points with your comment. But without proof, Diane couldnt implicate Steve Downs any more than she could shoot him as he violated a restraining order threatening to beat her AGAIN. Not giving you free reign here. Dianes daughter started saying that she did not know who shot them right when she got adopted. 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