60 610 92 571 114 509 -6 120 Check the trigger guard for a small hole near the front. Where do they think all those turkeys come from, anyway? Crosman Challenger 2009 Target Rifle Part 5, Mounts, bases, rings, levels & scope stops, Generation 2 .25 caliber Benjamin Marauder: Part 12, Why You Should Hunt Coyote This Offseason. The way the breech is designed on the new rifle makes it easier to load versus the old T-handle, and you can change sides for a left-handed shooter. 64 612 1 17 CROSMAN TRIGGER FIX !!! How is that t-shaped bolt working for you? How can I adjust the trigger down to one pound like it states in the manual for the 2300T/2300S? 67 609 The "Crosman Challenger" line was interesting: The "6100" was a Diana model 45 (old version), with an unusual straight-line stock. Below are my Challenger velocities with shot #1 at 2300 psi. I think 2.5 pounds is the most realistic number. There's simple setscrew adjustment for trigger pull weight, trigger blade position and changes to the first and second stages. 0000003404 00000 n I specifically use my air guns as tools to take out pests on our farm. 118 494 -2 135 These screws are located in different positions relative to the trigger slot in the pressure tube of the Gen 1 and Gen 2 Marauders. Also missing are the Fortitude, Maximus, Bulldog and Airbow. Im just keeping a record of whats happening. 951-532-4715 9am - 4pm PST. Lothar Walther barrel. AKA Anschutz 335 Did a quick clean up and function check and it seem to be fine. For current prices, please contact Customer Service at 1-800-7AIRGUN (724-7486). These updated triggers are not only on their high end airguns, but rather start in their sub $200 priced airguns. The Challenger has a sweet spot from 2300 to about 1300 psi. Columbia, MO 65203-9258 0000002513 00000 n 64 612 Beeman has the RS2 and RS3 triggers, and Hatsan has their Quattro trigger. Whats The Best Velocity For Slugs To Minimize Wind Drift? AJ, If you want to just go to 12 FPE, it is very simple. 124 464 -4 165 To wrap up: the Crosman Challenger is a $500-$650 10 meter rifle that competes very well with "the big boys". 55 615 The new challenger features a fully adjustable, match grade trigger. Flip the rifle upside down, so that the trigger guard is facing you. 37 614 -3 15 There's no Marauder! Finally got around to checking out my own gun (a "Crosman Challenger 6500"), and here is what I figur. The question is: Why would Velocity Outdoor not include all their airgun products in a single catalog? Hmmm. This Sporter Class air rifle was redesigned with a new precision class style stock, swappable side lever cocking handle, higher velocities, and much more. 1. the drop in fps from the previous shot When you get rough parts, then the trigger becomes long, and rough which leads to things being a lot harder than then need to be so see repeatable accuracy. Same size Allen wrench 3/32 for all the adjustments, the cheek plate, and the butt plate have separate adjustment screws. While this trigger setup has been around for a long time and is perfectly adequate it is not ideal on a match rifle. The long extension for the butt plate works great for shooters with long arms. The Armada? Got a call from a fella with an older Crosman Challenger rifle, and a recent 1701P Silhouette pistol. 87 581 -1 48 Affiliate Links are prominently displayed under the heading BUY FROM. 19 626 1 3 0000002275 00000 n 0 0000027333 00000 n 52 618 At that point, 29 f.p.s. Do I have a chrony? Your email address: Otherwise, PLEASE ALLOW AT LEAST 24 HOURS so the site administrator has a chance to look into the problem. The increase in velocity adds undesirable variability, but maybe at 10 metersespecially with the slow rate of increaseit doesn't matter. This is all I have done to my challenger and it gets 49 point of aim shots before it drops off the regulator. the engagement between the sear and the strut does not change when you pull through the first stage of the trigger. 30 623 1 6 gun=2000 57 617 127 446 bottom of green, Copyright 1999-2022 Pyramyd Air. I accomplished both my goals on the first try. The Big HAM Slugs Test. Crosman Corporation 7629 Rts. 124 464 Finally, shot 117 dropped below my criterion of 29 f.p.s. B.B., always glad to hear about the Challenger and the Challenger/Edge match-up will be one worthy of the holidays. 29 622 The best trigger in the competition sporter air rifle category. Part Three. 3. Air rifle teams looking to upgrade their rifles can get a Challenger PCP and grow their team endowment, plus the donation will be matched! %%EOF If you read any customer reviews of Crosman spring and nitro piston guns like the Nitro Venom, youll find that they all may have good things to say about the gun, but very few if any sing the praises of the their triggers. 13 629 -1 0 76 597 -1 32 28 622 12 630 0 -1 Air rifles are an economical way to target practice or hunt, and can be very accurate at distances up to 100 yards. Happy Thanksgiving to all our U.S. readers, wherever they may be. The only adjustment is out, which takes the length, i.e. Day of Clays South Carolina | May 20, 2023, Day of Clays South Carolina Registration, National Youth Shooting Sports Conference, Air Gun Training Camp With Olympians | Sept. 17, 2022, MidwayUSA Foundation Donor Reception | Sept. 17, 2022, Ruger Auction (8 of 26): Ruger M77 Hawkeye All-Weather Rifle, Ruger Auction: (7 of 26): SP101 in .357 Magnum Sales Sample, SKB Shotguns Supports Youth Shooting Sports. Knob=0.164, wrench=2 turns in from stop 113 515 0 114 The Generation 1 Marauder (models BP1763, 2263 and 2563) and the Crosman Challenger 2009 both use the same trigger assembly. JSB RS 7.33 gr pellets 3 630 #224 Riverside California 92504. Well the adjustment screw is almost always set all the way in from the factory. I feel that improving the trigger is really the responsibility of the manufacturer not the job of the consumer. Knob=0.164, wrench=2 turns in from stop Nothing is actually moving in the trigger, i.e. Both guns have pressure tubes rated to 3,000 psi. I have long been somewhat confused by the differences and similarities between Marauder and Challenger 2009 triggers. 50 619 -3 10 624 Time: Wed, 01 Mar 2023 19:19:23 -0500 The greater the tension on the hammer spring, the harder the hammer hits the valve and the more air that escapes. Airgun Nation is the epicenter for learning, sharing, and discussing everything related to airguns. However, only two individual parts that are different. xref Head to our fundraising products page with the button below and apply using the links by the Crosman Challenger PCP. If youre very sharp, you also picked up on the fact that the starting velocity of 528 f.p.s. 111 521 -3 108 Bolt-action (ambidextrous & straight pull) Adjustable cheekpiece. 125 456 -8 173 The Discovery velocities are on the Discovery site. Outfitted with the Crosman Diopter Sight System, an adjustable precision sight, all competition shooters new and old, can be proficient with the Challenger PCP. Either setting can affect accuracy and shooter confidence. Its definitely not interchangeable with the bolt action guns. The Generation 1 Marauder (models BP1763, 2263 and 2563) and the Crosman Challenger 2009 both use the same trigger assembly. Air-Powered Bows In Michigan A Step Closer, Wind Drift for Slugs We Need to Replace the G1 Drag Model, Hawke Frontier LRF Binoculars Have Built-In Rangefinder. 24 624 Trigger adjustment 90 578 115 506 110 524 Hans & Ray ( aka Team Crosman ) used them for a couple of years in the "12fpe" class. 32 621 -2 8 117 496 Hammer spring adjustment knob C. Hammer/ Striker travel adjustment . Please use this corrected post to the above. There are four adjustments on this trigger. |FWbU&-6Wo_>J($H8IAO`dFdrH'qc~~E"N4OG7P2Fry|wJv;l1KE '^c96W)bfZz'&FR?~&YCZ When I adjusted the trigger-pull weight, the screw fell out of its hole, along with the spring that controls the pull weight. 47 621 This used the same powerplant and trigger as the 335, but in a smaller simpler stock, a shorter lighter barrel, and a plain spring detent latch. Hello,This short video goes along with a blog post at www.airgundepot.com. 127 446 -8 183 bottom of green. Thats correct. 33 620 -1 9 Because theres so much engagement between the sear and the strut its going to be next to impossible to see a misfire from this type of trigger design. The Armada? That was just a trifle above what I was looking for, so I took it. When you reach the 2nd stage is when you actually begin to see movement from the strut, reducing the engagement with the sear until it releases and the gun fires. 86 582 about 1300 psi With the Crosman triggers, this is NOT the case. Ruger also has a new trigger, a required redesign so they could convert over to their Reaxis Gas Piston. 112 515 There is a downside however. The pistol grip. Even with the (slightly) higher claimed Muzzle Velocity, the result is still going to be a stellar number of shots per fill. 49 622 average 1-50 In each case, it has the same part number and performs the same functions in each gun. 48 621 A better selection of front sight aperture inserts. The Challenger groups are too small for me to measure at my 54 feet inside range. All other individual trigger parts ARE interchangeable. ]xM1hmQNazN#v' K_;-HesHh^f7U'HCX:Wu$+ 0000010322 00000 n 119 485 -9 144 Align the screwdriver's head with the small set screw located just in front of the trigger assembly. I wanted to get better than 100 shots in a string, or a 100-shot string with a variation lower than 34 f.p.s. 22 625 122 473 114 509 I didnt know what the whole outcome of my adjustments would be. My answer may not be the most popular one on the block, but here it goes. The trigger is very nice but seems to way out of adjustment, any advise on the adjustment procedure? That will be A TON of guns. 27 621 -7 8 He is hoping to improve the triggers. For questions,contact the Publisher, Stephen Archer. 100+ shots per fill is a pumper's dream. 23 623 -2 6 Hard Air Magazine covers the whole airgun community and provides visitors with a constantly changing variety of news and airgun test reviews. 2. 79 593 -4 36 average 1-78 Only from Crosman, the world leader in airgun innovation since 1923. Record #: 273653 Firstly this is absolutely NOT a complaint against Crosman. These are the Trigger Casing and the Sear. 89 579 I have to dispatch quarry as part of daily life here and not for hobby or for fun. is not the average of this string. The scale on the butt plate helps maintain consistent adjustments. 93 566 -5 63 With it's well defined first stage trigger stop, crisp second stage and it's full . 38 617 3 12 Anybody shoot their turkey before roasting it for a penetration test in real meat?? Please enter the relevant details below, and click the "Submit Trouble Ticket" button to send it to us. 70 608 STOP! If you want to help keep these video's coming, you can do so by making a PayPal Donation on my Web Site http://www.airgunsmn.com , or by watching or clicking. yEHt 91 572 These allow us to earn a commission when you click on an affiliate link. The manual should state between 1 to 4 lbs. As soon as I know when the gun will be available, Ill start reporting on it. The Challenger PCP kept the adjustable stock and ambidextrous bolt handle from the wildly popular Challenger 2000, but now includes a patented linear bolt. 108 531 Generally they will reduce the trigger pull down around 1 to 2 pounds and allow you to adjust the break of the 2nd stage. And vice-versa! 102 545 -5 84 READ THIS BEFORE CONTINUING! 21 626 Check your email to get blasting! Shot FPS 88 579 35 619 Its important to understand just how critical a trigger is going to impact your ability to easily achieve repeatable accuracy. This is combined with an increase in HPA fill pressure to 3,000 PSI. The way they make parts diagrams available to owners of their products is outstanding and a model for the industry! 51 620 1 9 76 597 20 627 low end of red You have to shoot the gun from a fresh fill until it drops in velocity below your minimum criterion. Crosman has always been VERY consistent and clear with part numbers. I copied too many numbers from my spreadsheet. . 120 481 68 605 0000018840 00000 n All other designated trademarks, copyrights, and brands are the property of their respective owners. It is shooting 8.4 AA's at 792 FPS for 11.70 FPE. The removable palm block. Airgun Slug BC Variability And Projectile Weight, New Air Venturi Avenge-X Stars At 2023 SHOT Show, Western Airguns Sidewinder Air Rifle Test Review .22 Caliber, H&N Baracuda 15 Pellet Test Review .22 Caliber, Diana Stormrider PCP Air Rifle Test Review .177 Caliber. But the Challenger 2009 is a target rifle, and its pretty important to have the trigger adjusted well on a target rifle. The trigger is the part that handles moving the sear out of the way to allow the hammer, or in the case of spring guns, the piston to fly forward and fire the pellet. Affiliate Links are prominently displayed under the heading BUY FROM. I was concerned about filling them to more than 2000 psi but they seem to work best starting at 2300 and 2500 psi. 0000000916 00000 n 90 578 -1 51 Turn the screwdriver clockwise to decrease the trigger pull. Theres a strut that rides on top of the sear that lock things into place. Hard Air Magazine is a Trademark of Archer Airguns Inc. No spam, only great airgun news and deals. 47 621 1 8 But that was what I set out to beat. Probably. This looks to be a major upgrade to the previous Challenger 2009 model. Essentially you have a lever, i.e. Info@MidwayUSAFoundation.org. %PDF-1.3 % 65 608 0000024271 00000 n Phone: (877) 375-4570 The adjustable tab on the trigger. 61 609 -1 20 Stripped Query: You may adjust either one or both adjustments and get an initial velocity change, but how do you know if that change is what you really want? For example, as an Amazon Associate, HAM earns from qualifying purchases if you buy by clicking-through from that link. deviation. Sign up for the Crosman email list and well get things started with a 10%-off code you can use on your first order. 110 524 -2 105 I didnt. 40 617 0 12 126 454 -2 175 That takes experience. The thinking behind this trigger system, which is used by many, manufacturers by the way, is all about safety. 121 479 -2 150 0000011373 00000 n This labelling confusion extends to many other parts. No. All Rights Reserved. 34 620 99 553 I hope that this article helps explain how these work and what you may want to look for in your next airgun purchase. 120 481 -4 148 long recessed dovetail groove designed to recieve an accessory of some sort.The rifle is from the late 60s if that helps and was bought in Germany Frank B. 19 626 The individual shooter can adjust length of pull, seer engagement and trigger weight. Fire several test shots to gauge whether you are more comfortable with a heavier or lighter trigger pull. The new Challenger 2009 is miles better than Crosman's first effort with the Challenger 2000. 41 617 What do you think about this? The manual states "Your air pistol is designed with an adjustment to change the trigger pull from 1 to 4 lbs." Unfortunately the language is misleading. We always want to hear from our readers! For questions,contact the Publisher, Stephen Archer. Obsolete parts are no longer available. Leapers makes UTG, but which UTG are you referring to, when comparing it to the Bug Buster? We recently changed some things on our PCP and Break Barrel Air Rifle warranties. After that first slow shot of 528 f.p.s., the velocity started increasing. The screw-on air cap. Frankly, I cant wait to see how this new trigger system works out for Crosman. 68 605 -4 24 The Huma reg set at 85 BAR will keep it level at 12 FPE or a little less according to your adjustment of the pellet speed with the striker adjustment knob. High-pressure air (2,000 psi) or CO2 (Dual Fuel) Single-shot. Yet, getting through it isnt nearly as cumbersome or confusing as it sounds. . Well the Crosman 6500 arrived today. We had had six of these guns on our range over the past several years. 34 620 0 9 104 542 -4 87 25 623 I had hoped for over 85 shots when this test began, but the rifle was still pumping them out at shot 100. Robert holds Bachelor of Arts degrees in journalism and political science. All of them are basically reducing the sear engagement, reducing the 2nd stage to a hair trigger. You can learn to live with the trigger and just get used to it, or if you are adventurous, you can opt to pick up one of the 3rd party replacement trigger blade options out on the market. But theres something strange about this new catalog. 75 598 -2 31 about 1400 psi Also, the Trigger Casing Side Plate is shown as having different part numbers (1763-041 and 1764-041) between the Gen 1 Marauder and the Gen 2/Challenger. But Ill leave that chore to you guys. Insert a small, Phillips-head screwdriver through the hole in the trigger guard. Theres no Marauder! 59 615 8 629 Probably do a lube tune after a chrony run to see where it's at at the moment. Airgun and Airbow Service, Repair and Parts. If youre reading this report the way I intended, you are now seeing that this process is practically infinite. This Challenger and my Discovery have not been modified. 23 623 Your name: I dont have the ballistic printer for my Chrony like I told you about yesterday, so when I record any shot string, I have to write all the numbers down. I'm surprised to see that there is a steady increase in velocity in a shot string. Adjustable buttpad stretches rifle's length from 38.75" to 41.75". The original part is obsolete. Only from Crosman, the world leader in airgun innovation since 1923. 116 502 -4 127 Can you see that I am not controlling anything at this point? With an unmodified trigger, when you pull through the 1st stage and then do NOT take the shot, the sear and strut remain fully engaged, and thereby still very safe. Post: For more information, head on over to our warranty page: https://www.crosman.com/general/warranty-information Crosman Air Rifles 100 Owner's Manual (1942-1951) 81 594 2 35 All rights reserved. 53 614 95 565 ) aH!LDf%f;bn-|%dpM6<. 12 630 58 616 A 100-shot string is mind-numbing, to say the least. Im currently testing the AirForce Edge, which is within a week or twoat the mostof coming to market. 57 617 6 12 The "6300" was the Anschutz model 333. 0000027296 00000 n 1. 97 558 91 572 -6 57 I mentioned that there are many manufacturers that use this design. But, there are some issues that arise when comparing the Trigger Assembly EVPs for the Gen 1 Marauder, Gen 2 Marauder and Challenger 2009. I guess I never paid attention to the strings of chrony numbers. A. Bolt B. The challenge Remember, it does all of this on a fill of just 2,000 psi. 65 608 -4 21 Hard Air Magazine is a Trademark of Archer Airguns Inc. No spam, only great airgun news and deals. 0000024646 00000 n HooHOtM}&gFUS4'WH$TSmgg}f~|CnEnV)aFh`I i9@)zd>DH)Ab(71+7\GdF;$I The gun did. A better standard rear sight. 98 556 -2 73 In the traditional Crosman style system, you have a sear that goes down into the compression chamber and grabs a slot in the piston.