Wisdom of the crowd is an awfully unknown thing to be making life-and-death decisions on. So, pocket guns being inherently hard to shoot and prone to limp wristing will experience failures. You must not even be able to read. Even the author of this article merely speculates, at times, as to why the readers voted as they did. Unfortunately, each of these pistols and others in their class suffer from a number of serious flaws. The thing is about Cobras, hi points that people that call them junk have never actually researched the gun. My SCCY CPX-2 has been absolutely accurate with never a malfunction of any kind. I give them a failing grade because neither gun reliably goes bang each time you pull the trigger on factory ammo. Zero malfunctions in 300 rounds including pocket lint coverings. AND, NAA has first class warranty service. Nemesis pocket holster, and 1 spare mag, goes everyehere. When I dress up, the P380 is the best answer to the pocket-carry problem. These guns shoot any ammo I have fed it. But if carry options are limited to just a pocket carry for you (i.e. Voted by handgun magazine as a top pistol and great manufacturer. I would love to meet you and show you what your are NOT talking about. What good is a lifetime warranty if they dont fix it??? You do not have one clue about what you are talking about. No problems with it at all. Trigger sucked. The very concealable gun has a barrel length of only 2.5 inches. Small, accurate and reliable. OMG! The tiny gun is lightweight, inexpensive and comfortable to carry. Anonymous reviews should be taken VERY suspiciouslyof all product, not just guns. I would very much like to see your proof/examples. I will run the Pico side by side the Kahr any day and have. Com-block mack chambered pistols, walthers, and the like just have better reliability w/ less break in. Personally, Id like to see something a little more scientific than a survey since we have no idea if the respondents even handled the firearm. The Kahr chokes on all kinds of ammo. It is my favorite except the 15 ounce weight makes it have more recoil than a typical 9mm. Im a Glock 27 guy, so I dont mind recoil. 6) IO Hellcat II (2.9 stars 0.6, 32 votes). A lot of those people who diss these guns are those that run hollowpoints or high pressure rounds. Plus, the Picos 9mm cousin, the Nano, rates well above average. Try posting a survey asking for votes on Glocks, for instance, and you will get a very polarized response . On the plus side, the SCCY has a lighter trigger than the Kel-Tec P11 (which may explain the problem), but the P11 always goes bang. Yes, Im sure theyre out there, but the odds youll score one of those unicorns remain low. That could happen with any gun someone didnt ,maintain and hadnt tested out at the range. This is NOT a target gun. It feels good in the hand and the materials and workmanship are fine. Reliability is certainly suspect with a few of the .380's. I shoot a lot of pocket guns. Stovepiped and double fed left and right, and Kel-Tec didnt want to lift a finger without me footing the bill for shipping. Bounce is not horrible but that along with size will take some of the enjoyment out of the session. (1) Astroturfing happens, both ways. Springfield operator: 5.2 I recommend them to people all the time, but I do caution that, as is to be expected with a DAO, the trigger is long. Kahr makes a lot of pocket guns, and several of them rate really well. i cant effectively describe the feel of the action; except to say it was similar to dragging a cinder block up a gravel hill. These arent Rambo guns, they are self defense guns. Yes, the LCP II is still a .380 pocket pistol and as a result is still snappy. Granted, .380 pocket autos are not guns that you take to the range for fun. Simple, easy and the Beretta Pico is in fact one of the most mild shooting Pocket Pistols out there. Copyright 2023 Center for the National Interest All Rights Reserved. Keltec P11 will take S&W 669 mags10,15,20 rounders..just like the Marlin Camp Rifle.. Slicked up and did a Golden Loki Fluff & Buff on my Kel-Tec P3AT after I bought it years ago. As a back-up weapon to a larger pistol, the LCP II would also be a great choice as it has a very similar manual of arms to larger pistols such as Glocks while also being small enough to easily conceal carry as we have just seen. The first generation CPX-1s had some problems and gave the company a bad rep starting out, but the company was so adamant that they fixed their second Gen guns that you can send any of the old ones back (they shipped in red boxes) and they will replace them with brand new Gen 2s (which ship in blackish gray boxes). How anyone can actually report that a gun that has the build quality of the Pico is one of the worst is beyond me. Is it possible to find a Hellcat II that runs well, shoots well and fits well? The Pico will eat any ammo I have fed it, and has proven flawless with thousands of rounds down range. You have entered an incorrect email address! The PPK established a defining influence on the design of concealed carry firearms. My other gun is a Beretta PX4. A recoil spring system that not only sucks, but lends the thing to have constant and regular jams and FTF and FTEs. The spreadsheet seems flawed to me. I think Jimenez and Lorcen companies went bankrupt. The SCCY is even rated for +P ammo, in modest doses, according to the company. I have heard the PiCO may be TOO small. I think the wheel guns are less likely to have a problem. Note to self, Get to the range! Stainless Steel receiver, chassis, guide rod, built like a tank. I owned a SCCY CPX-2 (notice the past tense). The mag will spring out when done correctly. The Mag release is a piece of cake. The only guns to get near a 100 votes are the Beretta and the SCCY. Seriously?). The CPX-3 and CPX-4 is now available in 380 with less recoil. Jimenez was one former name for Cobra also Loren was also a former name . Unlike several riflesOh wait I might get a 22mag but not for big money. In 2017, SIG Sauer produced a unicorn of a pistol in the P365. But thats just me Not everyone places as much weight on user ratings as I do. Expand your opinion to something legitimate and/or constructive with first hand knowledge. I would think a pocket gun would be best kept in .380 or 9mm. I liked the gun otherwise, but the awful trigger was a total deal breaker for me. (dead serious) took it right back to the store. anyone can vote on any gun whether they own or have even seen the gun in person. I carry it about as often as I carry a Glock 19 mainly based upon clothing/belt shortcomings in dress scenarios. Did you ever lubricate the gun, or did you just load it and shoot it? I am a Pocket gun enthusiast. Suprised about the Kahr, Beretta, and Diamondback. :p. People generally avoid spam masquerading as journalism. Thats whats currently on my hip and I love it. Man this Truth about guns article really burns me up. Most of the post are from newbies that know very little about guns in the first place. And just recently bought my Third Pico. This article was amateurishly conceived and executed, even if only judging by the hit-piece commentary on the SCCY. While the track is double, both trains were traveling in opposite directions on the same line near the Vale of Tempe, a river valley about 380 kilometers (235 miles) north of Athens. It would likely be more meaningful. I dont know if I should believe anything guns3x has to say, he is clearly insane. As long as you shoot the recommended ammo and keep your weapon cleaned, oiled properly, and replace any defective parts you will get much better performance. Ive no complaints. TTAG is the Roseanne Barr of reviews. She shot both, along with a used Beretta .380, and chose the Sig despite the price being just about double at the time. My Kahr is a nice but, but Finicky as heck. At first glance, Japans first semi-automatic pistol design resembles the iconic 3) SCCY Industries CPX-2(4.3 stars 0.4, 99 votes). I would bet my life on this smallish, nice looking pistol. To start with they sat on it for 2 whole years teasing a release and it just kept getting pushed back further and further. I called the factory and was accused of limp wristing. When I hear someone put down the Pico, I know they do not shoot often. She has had limp wrist cycling problems with other semi-auto pistols in the past. Her gun was unloaded while the thugs were not. This is like the buzzfeed of gun articles. Ill take more objective reviews from knowledgeable shooters. We saw your review and write up. Also cobra has a lifetime warranty on their guns if you do the warranty. M&P Shield EZ .380 6. The design was intended to produce more accuracy while only sacrificing marginal power. As in best gun LOL. WebThe .380 Auto (ACP) Pistol is most often used for self-defense, and is a particularly good choice for concealed carry thanks to its small size. After we shot a bit we could ring that gong regularly. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-beauty1.jpg None. They pretty much invented the theory of if you get a good one its good, but when you get a bad one its bad. The double 1911 also has ratings. The muzzle blast can be quite impressive and women should definitely fire their guns at the range. You mean like the crowd of voters that put Obama in office twice. Solid with FMJ round nose once broken in, will NOT feed hollow points until after a trip back to the factory. Stainless steel throughout the gun. Remember, these are life-or-death guns, not gopher guns or race guns. Arguably one of the best and most popular pocket pistols, the pf9, was not on the spreadsheet. IT is NOT stiff at all. Sure you can spend $500 on a Glock or what ever else you want to list but the specs on this gun make it a easy choice and hell I can buy two for the price of most good guns. Mine works, has worked, continues to work, and has never not gone bang. Did they succeed? But with the right technique and practice, its fine. http://virtualchick.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/unicorn.jpg. Baby glocks seem like an attractive option as at least they have a somewhat normal trigger w/ a normal length of pull. You can buy 1911s now. based on what your stupid opinion? Even a novice can see the better build quality of the Pico. Any kind of ammo. Top 5 .380 Pistols Our Top Pick Glock 42 .380 ACP Sportsmans Warehouse (Check Price) Palmetto State Armory (Check Price) Primary Arms (Check These are last resort concealment guns with a lot of punch in a small package. I just went through your site and clicked a one star on every gun over $500 and a 10 star on every gun under $500 with my only basis being I dont currently have an expendable $500 in my pocket and I dont like them because they are out of my budget Just kidding, I didnt, but anyone out there could do it, which is why I think your system is incredibly flawed by not at least holding reviewers to having to list a reason. I dont know the story behind why but we can only guess. Encountered types on the old KT forums that whines like a little girl. And then the gall to refer to Jeremy who by the way did not bother to report that the upgraded model fixed all the issues with the first run. The stats of the survey may need to be expanded on as well but for the most part would not own any of the others either, just my opinion. 6. Probably ran 150 round through it so far. Its been reliable since then for me. Ive put plenty of rounds through my p3at and its reliable. I doubt he even read the directions. In the case of the SCCY they are worth it. My Gosh folks, this is total BS, read the directions. Only time I tried one I did not like it. Its pretty clear why. Well, Taurus only makes one gun that really meets the pocket pistol criteria set forth in the article. Sorry, but NOT my Kahr. With a much lighter trigger, enhanced slide serrations, wider grip, impressive stippling job, and the ability to slide lock on the last round, the LCP II is a definitive improvement over other comparable .380 pocket guns. On that note, you KNOW were kind of spoiled with all the great pocket guns available today. But with 99 votes in, the math is clear: the CPX-2 stinks. Thats a problem for a pocket gun. Too many women wind up dropping the gun which the thug grabs and then uses on the woman. I own some pretty toys and more expensive carry guns but for everyday carry i choose between my CPX 2 and S&W 442 and feel just as confident with either. And buying likes is one definite way to abuse it. Extremely Mild, Plus P rated, Modular design, mags that look like Custom 1911 stainless steel. Nope. It came back still not fixed. While the LCP II is still a small pocket pistol, Ruger made a number of improvements to it. The Type 94 Shiki Kenju. Getting the trigger on the safety notch is something you should never goof around with. I dont expect any pocket gun to be pleasant to shoot, but I ditched my Hellcat after experiencing multiple failures to eject two types of ammo. It had some issues ejecting, but a trip to the factory corrected the issues. Oh, it fits my hand great too. Diamondback has been plagued by trouble. Did he shoot various ammo or run them for accuracy. After this 1911 bill gets passed, Ill be carrying a 1911. For College Campuses! Both have been dependable and will function without a flaw on anything I have tried. It jammed after the first shot, but he hit the intruder in the chest. Do you really know anything about pocket guns? And for sure never shot one. I think it would have to be the 2mm Kolibri. Its the worlds smallest handgun, and develops just 4 joules of muzzle energy. Its not a joke weapon Both shoot about the same as far as low recoil. Most often the issue is people dry firing, or using hollowpoints. More than ever, the PPK is a statement of sophistication. Basically I hate these guns because I hate these guns, and you should too because I do. This is the closest I have ever been to accusing TTAG of pandering to the highest advertising contributors (i. e. not a SINGLE Taurus gun on here? Really disappointed in how this was presented. Its on the edge of what Id consider using for self-defense, but Id recommend trying to move up to 9mm if possible. Its not a range gun, and should not be treated as such. 2) Cobra Firearms CA380 (4.3 stars 0.9, 36 votes). Surprised the Remington R51 didnt make this list. Still cant find that silent u in it to make it sky. I find that many pistols jam because of a defective magazine thats not feeding properly. I carry the SCCY more often and have cycled quite a few rounds through it. I challange anyone to break down the Pico and compare all parts to any of the Aluminum Chassis Pocket guns. Im curious as to how you derived your +/- error bars and why you are calling 25-50 votes statistically significant. Those are awfully small sample sizes compared to the number of guns of each make/model in production. Painful to shoot, yes, but thats what you get when the gun barely weighs more than the bullet it fires. A 9mm shouldnt be slower than a .45. I had a CPX-2, functionality and reliability i couldnt complain about. Maybe so few were sold they didnt make the list. Glad I didnt see mine. +1. But hey, thanks for calling regulars to this site a-holes. Designed to be smaller and more compact than the Nambu 14 for use by armored vehicle crewmen and pilots, the pistol had design A number of guns you have to shoot 400 rounds or so to exercise the gun so it will never jam as long as it is cleaned and oiled. I really get the feeling you know little about the Pico. Just a BS review to gain clicks and views. Yep and they give AKs a bad name with how terrible theirs are. Most people who love the P3-AT just carry it but dont use it. I chose. Super gun, works every time. Unfortunately, my DB380 experience has mirrored that ofmany of our peers. So there. In regards to the Cobra a lot of people dissing the gun are those who fire hollowpoints through it. His post show that he is just posting without knowledge of the firearms. Could not disagree more with the articles 3rd selection, namely, the SCCY Industries CPX-2 (not to be confused with its predecessor which had issues of which were acknowledged by the company and subsequently corrected). I am no statistician but most of the sample sizes were very small. That said, I have never tried to pocket-carry one so Im not voting on it in terms of that specific criteria. Not cheap, but beautifully crafted. Look at the back of the slide. To quote his expertise is laughable. My God, have you really shot or even handled one? . No warning shot, no shoot to wound. And of course not break down like they do with high volume shooting. Trash. Otherwise a worthy imitator of the abandoned Walther PPK. Was definitely surprised that certain other brands didnt make the list. I was thinking the same thing as I read this article. Fan boys gotta fan boy, and critics gotta criticize. But unlike those highly rated guns, the Hellcat IIs rating is in the toilet. 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